ARC 331 Forum 04: Early Modernist Architectural Critique of Sainte-Chapelle

Is this a good building?

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    Desmond, Futurist March 17, 2019

    Ah, the Sainte-Chapelle a building of its time, long before idiotic Neoclassicists and revivalists polluted architecture with their distasteful reuse of classical models as a crutch for their creativity. The Sainte-Chapelle however as a work of its time accentuated the structural capacities of the period. However, to design this building today would be to regress pointlessly to an architecture that was now obsolete due to the availability of steel and concrete. Overall Sainte-Chapelle is a building of its time and thus should stay that way while the modern world embraces its futurist lover.

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      Adam Wise esiw mada - DADA March 20, 2019

      The Stata Chapel in Aha was built before the construction of the Aditya Neo Glacier. Restorers invented the classic building. On Thursday – Chappell canceled this time with creative work. However, the building is designed to be designed due to the presence of iron and concrete. In general, the Sea Chapel is a building and must be made when the future world is in the future.

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      jacob collins - Furturist March 20, 2019

      I agree that this building was good in its day, however, building it now would be a scandal because we need to focus more on modern things and look forward instead of looking backward and reminiscing in the past and what has worked in the past because those things will not work in the present and certainly not in the future

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      Jarod the Futurist March 21, 2019

      Desmond, I agree that this is a building of its time and I believe that the medieval architects were doing some astounding work in that time. This was progress and then Western Culture, rather than choosing to look forward, looked to the past and refused to avert their gaze for quite some time, until now. Now we have the opportunity and the duty to look forward and again apply motion to our architecture using the new materials available to us such as steel, glass, and concrete.

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      Aaron, Expressionist March 23, 2019

      It seems that your views have been avoided, maybe that is because your work tends to be horrifying. No matter, do what you please with your architecture. It is good that you see the uselessness of rebuilding the past. Just express yourself! Just maybe do so in a way in which others can feel what you feel, and hopefully they’ll want to.

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      Dottore Architetto March 27, 2019

      Desmond, Your assessment is spot-on but does not go far enough. Burn it to the ground. Each generation must build its own city!

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    Aaron, Expressionism March 18, 2019

    Wow, the use of the color in the stained glass is the perfect use of window for the space. Although mostly liturgically planned, it does not take away the feelings of the architect and his unique way of expressing himself. I would suggest to the architect to begin thinking outside of the box. Why must you follow the liturgical planning of a chapel? Le Courbousier designed a chapel to the epitome of expressionism. There we see the architect truely expressing himself in a structure that would typically be liturgical, but is able to successfully achieve a chapel to his expression.

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      Chloe Burkhart, Dada March 19, 2019

      I agree with you a little, but am against agreement. Yes, it’s a shame that the architect followed liturgical program in his design, but not just because he should have expressed his own emotions more. Emotions are too relatable, and therefore make sense to people. Yuck. After all, three teeth don’t equal two ducks, and flying an airplane will make a Doc Marten boot burn in Korea.

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        Connor Brown (De Stijl) March 20, 2019

        Aaron, I agree that the stained glass window is perfect for that space. However, as a De Stijl idealist, I would rather it make use of the three primary colors red, yellow and blue that is associated with the movement. This will create a simple yet strong dynamic within the space filled with energy.

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        Aaron, Expressionist March 23, 2019

        I am confused, do you agree with me or not? You do not need to be scared, it was not language that began the wars. Talk like a normal person so we can understand. You’ve taken “express yourself” to an unhealthy level. You can do that with art and architecture, but language is the way that we can explain it.

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      Maxwell Starcevich, Russian Constructivist March 20, 2019

      Aaron, you Expressionist, please ignore this flappable fool and listen instead to my carefully constructed argument. Your fanciful, romantic notion of individualism would lead to the destruction of the world. Then again, perhaps it is best that you continue to espouse the position of the elite monarchists that are hell bent on keeping their toes in pots of warm water while they eat the bread of peasant’s labor. If you continue to personalize architecture, the peasants will rise up against you in a fury like this world has never seen, replacing your ilk with machines and rationally constructed architecture.

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        Caleb Rutter - DADA March 20, 2019

        Get outta here and leave Chloe alone you Stalin wannabe. “Sir yes sir” clown. You don’t know what peasant’s want or will react to. I don’t either actually… But Chloe is right, people like dada, not you. Rationality is irrational so nice try..

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      Taylor Wills, Expressionist March 20, 2019

      Aaron, I agree, the colored stained glass is a powerful way of conveying feeling within the space and flooding it with light and warmth. Gothic cathedrals are characteristic of the emotions we expressionists wish to portray; they were a part of one of the earliest movements to use glass heavily in their designs.

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      Desmond Wahlfeld, Futurist March 20, 2019

      Aaron, I am inclined to agree with your comment on color but truthfully perfect, I fail to agree much further. The colors require more ferocity to them, I require more than some colorful windows to satiate my appetite. Look at the intrinsic nature of the structure. Look at the lightness of the building it breaks free from the nauseating heaviness of medieval architecture. I appreciate your inclination to the Notre Dame du Haut, The beauty of its concrete mass as it breaks from the unimaginative nature of horizontal and perpendicular forms. However, this building too fails to be practical due to the idiotic amount of concrete wasted due to the lack of steel and thus still clings to the old rather than looks to the future.

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      Jordan T (Expressionist) March 21, 2019

      Aaron, you’re completely right. The windows in this space sing with tales of feeling in a way few other spaces can! There is much beauty in the way emotions filter in from the walls.
      In regards to Notre Dame du Haut, the only thing idiotic about about it is how far away Ronchamp is. Who cares about “wasted concrete?” The walls are part of the beauty that is an architect’s responsibility to not only create but their responsibility to FEEL. A higher cost is fitting to a higher level of expressed emotion!!

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      Aaron, Expressionist March 23, 2019

      You people must understand, architecture is art. Art is used to express yourself. I am only critiquing the fact of him follow liturgical plan to make this chapel. I’ve seen people successful build these in other ways. But we must understand that building is the way that we can express ourselves and the more architects we have the more diverse we will be.

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      Frau Doktor Sparkle-Farben March 27, 2019

      Aaron, We Expressionists love all expressions of divinity and feeling! I think we have no quarrel with this old-time religion! And the color here is remarkable! Surely if we followed their lead we too would have a happy culture! Just with fewer diseased rats! By the way! I do not know what you mean by Le Corbusier’s Chapel! All I know about him here in the 1910s is that he likes concrete! Bare, flat, unimaginative concrete! Boo!!!

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    Maxwell Starcevich, Russian Constructivist March 18, 2019

    A personal church! Sainte-Chapelle stinks of the bourgeois monarchy of Louis IX. The stained glass is not true art: the artists made lofty claims to stories of religiosity but were ignorant of the fact that “Space and time are the only forms on which life is built” (Gabo and Pevsner). Geometry of the industrial machine is free from individualism, but this place is frilled with impurity (Tatlin). However, I admit that Sainte-Chapelle has a clear sense of construction: vaults show the distribution of forces and the exterior stones show its construction. But enough! “We do not look for justification, neither in the past nor in the future.”

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      Chloe Burkhart, Dada March 19, 2019

      Space and ǝɯᴉʇ? Things that haughty philosophers love to explore. When will they discover that neither exist in the existence of not existing? The machine. Programmed to do repeated tasks. uoᴉʇɐzᴉlɐᴉɹʇsnpuI. An attempt to create efficiency. Hah! *Inhale* BOTH unnecessary and ᵖᶦᵗᶦᶠᵘˡ. Enough talk about my kidneys. I do, however, appreciate your use of the letter w ǝsnɐɔǝq it can be found smack dab in the end of the word Kiswah. A Statement (poem by Whose Your Dada I’m Your Dada): why ¿

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      Aaron, Expressionist March 20, 2019

      You cannot fault a man for expressing his feelings and love towards the God he worships. Are you telling me that walking into the space, you feel nothing? Well then you would be a man of no taste or emotion. You socialists are all the same! Your hyped up socialism is only a ploy to avoid thinking for yourself. How can you expect to run a country if you cannot even make a decision. You might as well just be communist so the government can make decisions for you.

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      Adam Wise Poohsh - DADA March 20, 2019

      This test requires that you perform as many tractions as possible in one minute using the appropriate form. Personal church! Sainte-Chapelle is known for the bourgeois monarchy Louis IX. Lie on a flat surface first. Stained glass is not an art: the artist demands a lot of religious stories, but he does not know that “space and time are the only forms on which life depends” (Gabo and Pevsner). When the feet are completely stretched, the shoulders are separated. . The geometry of industrial machinery is not individualistic, but there is no pollution here (Tatlin). Women should perform this movement through the lower knee instead of the foot (Figure 6.22a). Start a unit of time of one minute. Keep your body upright, press the weight, fully extend the elbow (Figure 6.22b), then lower your body so that the triceps are parallel or slightly parallel to the floor (Figure 6.22c). However, I admit that Sainte-Chapelle has a clear sense of structure: the vault shows the dispersion of power and the outer stones indicate their structure. You have now completed the duplication. Repeat this action as many times as you can in one minute. . But still! “We are not looking for reasons in the past or in the future.” Find the total number of repetitions you performed and compare the results to the one-minute start-up criteria in Table 6.3.

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      профессор March 27, 2019

      Comrade Max, Too true. This building has nothing to offer us, expect in ruined form, to grind down the glass and melt the iron into useful, functional works expressive of the truth of the collective.

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    Chloe Burkhart, Dada March 18, 2019

    Sainte-Chapelle. Do I hate it, or do I love it? Maybe I love to hate it or hate to love it. The stained glass windows are complex, but not complex enough. In fact, they are far from truly complex. So are they complex at all? No. They consist of repeating patterns—the most simple form of initially appearing complicated. The vaults. I have seen them before. In other places. How unoriginal. Pierre de Montreuil thought he birthed a unique baby, but babies are all the same—fat, ugly, and slimy. I say to that………. whose your Dada?

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      Maxwell Starcevich, Russian Constructivist March 20, 2019

      Chloe, you think you are so clever, stringing a randomized construction of words together. You intend to stupefy, nothing more. If I gave you a hammer, 10 nails, and two blocks of wood, and told you to join the two blocks, you would eat the nails, smash the blocks into pieces, and then hit yourself on the head. If you cannot construct a sentence, how can you construct a building? And buildings are certainly constructed. In fact, you probably wrote (if I can even call it writing) this garbage from the comfort of a rationally constructed building. If you Dada fools were allowed their way, we would live in a pile of trash.

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      Caleb Rutter - DADA March 20, 2019

      Killin it Chloe. Dada is my Dada, thanks for asking! You’re right tho this building sucks. Not dada enough for me. Too traditional. I’d much rather live in a pile of trash!

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        Maxwell Starcevich, Russian Constructivist March 22, 2019

        You need to build an opinion out of logic, construct it from the factual nature of industrial life. Besides Caleb, let’s be real. You live in Wilson, you do live in a pile of trash.

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          Chloe Burkhart, Dada March 24, 2019

          Mr. Ru$$Ian Con$tructivi$t, you live in Volkman which literally and definitely not figuratively but also figuratively has piles of trash in the basement right now. пожалуйста, пересмотрите свой аргумент. Thank you and ᵍᵒᵒᵈⁿᶦᵍʰᵗᵎ

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      Umlaut has no umlauts March 27, 2019

      Complexity or simplicity. Originality or invention. I prefer none. And all. But neither. But I pronounce it neither.

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    Connor Brown, De Stijl March 19, 2019

    Such a complex church! Although the Sainte-Chapelle is surely a prime example of Gothic architecture of its time, I prefer art that is more abstracted and universal. A reduction to its form can be made with the structure’s strong vertical emphasis and the color palette can be reduced to a few colors. Its emotion can be communicated much more simply, because the current stained glass windows, flamboyant decorations, and sculptures create such an overwhelming visual composition.

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      Adam Wise Dadam Dwise - DADA March 20, 2019

      These are complex churches! Chapel Stewart is the most popular and most famously popular fingers of Gutts. Usually the approximate amount of measurement with the structure and reducing the size of many colors for many colors. Your feelings are the fact that modern reactions, clear explanations and sculptures are visual things.
      To build

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      Aaron, Expressionist March 20, 2019

      Are you a robot with no comprehension of emotional expression? You small minded people get overwhelmed by anything other than primary colors and some boring shapes. Although , I cannot fault you for however you choose to express yourself, I can fault you for your limited appreciation of others expression. I would suggest that you walk outside, open your eyes, and have the nature open up your small mind.

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        Maxwell Starcevich, Russian Constructivist March 22, 2019

        On the contrary Aaron, it takes an open mind to appreciate the quality of simplicity and rationality within design. I must side with Connor my De Stijl friend here, though I believe his view is a bit limiting. Aaron, an Expressionist is nothing more than a person who advocates the exposure of the inner beast for all the world to see. The animalistic impulse to express individuality has driven the world to despair. A good thing too, for out of that despair will be built a world free from selfishness, a world of community!

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      Desmond Wahlfeld, Futurist March 20, 2019

      Connor, oh how you praise the static nature, you desire it to be even more so? Such a foolish desire, you seek monotony and lifelessness like that of a corpse. The future isn’t an unmoving slain beast slaughtered by ages of classicism but is a winged dragon in flight, dynamic, swift, powerful, and ready to devour all that stands in its way. The decorative shall be consumed and incinerated by fire. Yes, Connor, the decorative shall be obliterated, but rather than lie in its grave motionless, it will take flight after being removed from its grotesque shackles of decoration.

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      Connor Brown de stijl March 21, 2019

      To more clearly identify my theoretical framework, the Sainte Chapelle is a building of curves and arched windows, but as is shown in the De Stijl style, grids and cubic shapes is the new modernism. The building does not use diagonal elements which were in the De Stijl movement. The facade of the building do not have that primary color contrast. So I believe this is not a good building for this movement.

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      Universitair Hoofddocent March 27, 2019

      Absoluut, Connor. The only thing they got right here was the blue, red, and yellow in the glass–and that is so small and messy that it fails to show the colors in their purity. A curved roof? Vreselijk!

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